Comments on: A Well-Documented Strategy

By: Vincent Shand

Vincent Shand — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:32:35 +0000

[citations needed - there is a vast difference in the quality and quantity of the research showing the harm of smoking and the climate change consensus]

By: Brian D

Brian D — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:23:19 +0000

Dan (and Kate, for that matter), might I direct you to Greenfyre’s, which has discussed the parallels between the two:

http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/its-twins-evolution-and-climate-change-deniers/

http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/08/10/its-not-just-the-evolution-denying-creationists/

By: Dan L.

Dan L. — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:31:45 +0000

Nicely done.

ACC deniers also share many tactics and rhetorical tricks with creationists, particularly in the realm of slandering science. Another post?

By: climatesight

climatesight — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:20:00 +0000

Nice blog, Richard. I especially liked the post about Alberta’s tar sands – I worry sometimes that it could be what pushes us over the edge, as the only oilfields in the US that aren’t depleted are those which haven’t been drilled into yet, and, given the choice, they’d probably feel safer importing oil from Canada than from the Middle East. And what the US does, the rest of the world will follow….

Keep up the good work.

By: Richard

Richard — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:15:10 +0000

Well done, Kate!

I’ll add you to my blogroll in the next day or two, and I’m glad that I’ve found you (through Greenfyre).

I’ve also written frequently about the connection between big tobacco and big oil… It’s connection that I remembered, after reading Heat because I looked into launching a media awareness campaign for youth about smoking around 1997, where I first learned about astroturfing, and how effective it can be. But illness intervened, and I never managed to make it work.

Anyway… here are a few links about big oil and big tobacco from OBM…

http://one-blue-marble.com/climate-change-denial-industry.html

http://one-blue-marble.com/blog/2009/04/21/big-tobacco-big-oil-big-coal/

http://one-blue-marble.com/blog/2009/07/05/ethics-and-alberta-oil/

By: David R.

David R. — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:37:42 +0000

Very clever. It seems to me that climate deniers also have a lot in common with “birthers” and lunar landing-deniers.

By: paulm

paulm — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:11:36 +0000

great stuff.

Is there a sinister connection between the US car companies and the oil ones? Seems to me the GM CEO must have been on the payroll of Exxon.

By: Gordon Parish

Gordon Parish — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:00:29 +0000

Oh, yeah… and don’t forget Revkin’s article from last April on the Global Climate Coalition… reads just like a “tobacco document” – link through to the original report…

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/science/earth/24deny.html

By: Gordon Parish

Gordon Parish — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:51:46 +0000

Yeah, if you draw props from Tamino, you done good!

BTW, if this link is still alive, it is a place containing some good stuff that will make you angry and maybe amuse you at the same time… more on your topic and in keeping with Greenfyre above – a Frontline interview with Seitz (several others, too – actually quite a good site to get lost in for awhile… at least until your brain starts throbbing):

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hotpolitics/interviews/seitz.html

And I can’t resist clipping this from a July 23, 2001 Newsweek article by Fred Guterl on Richard Lindzen (“The Truth About Global Warming”):

“Lindzen clearly relishes the role of naysayer. He’ll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette.”

http://www.newsweek.com/id/78772

By: climatesight

climatesight — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:25:50 +0000

Wow – this post is getting more views and more discussion than anything I’ve written so far – thanks in large part to Tamino! Thanks everyone for your support; spread this issue far and wide.