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		<title>By: climatesight</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/08/24/logic/comment-page-1/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>climatesight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the document I got &lt;a href=&quot;http://climatesight.org/2009/08/17/a-fun-quote/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this quote&lt;/a&gt; from. Fun people, aren&#039;t they!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the document I got <a href="http://climatesight.org/2009/08/17/a-fun-quote/" rel="nofollow">this quote</a> from. Fun people, aren&#8217;t they!</p>
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		<title>By: frankbi</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/08/24/logic/comment-page-1/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>frankbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And going back to the topic -- I particularly like Heartland&#039;s display of independent, and non-partisan thought that was shown &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webcitation.org/5guUemkKF&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. ;-)

-- &lt;a href=&quot;http://frankbi.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bi&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And going back to the topic &#8212; I particularly like Heartland&#8217;s display of independent, and non-partisan thought that was shown <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5guUemkKF" rel="nofollow">here</a>. ;-)</p>
<p>&#8211; <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">bi</a></p>
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		<title>By: frankbi</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/08/24/logic/comment-page-1/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>frankbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian D:

Oops, I forgot to say this -- you can stop the program any time (with Ctrl-C) and then rerun the program later to resume the crawling.

-- &lt;a href=&quot;http://frankbi.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bi&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian D:</p>
<p>Oops, I forgot to say this &#8212; you can stop the program any time (with Ctrl-C) and then rerun the program later to resume the crawling.</p>
<p>&#8211; <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">bi</a></p>
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		<title>By: frankbi</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/08/24/logic/comment-page-1/#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>frankbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian D:

By the way, the program doesn&#039;t do reverse whois, it only does domain name lookups and reverse lookups. (Doing mass whois lookups doesn&#039;t seem to be good manners, and may not be legal either...)

-- &lt;a href=&quot;http://frankbi.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bi&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian D:</p>
<p>By the way, the program doesn&#8217;t do reverse whois, it only does domain name lookups and reverse lookups. (Doing mass whois lookups doesn&#8217;t seem to be good manners, and may not be legal either&#8230;)</p>
<p>&#8211; <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">bi</a></p>
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		<title>By: frankbi</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/08/24/logic/comment-page-1/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>frankbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian D:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I was actually intending to link Greenfyre’s dissection of the quiz&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Ah... I liked that. :)
&lt;blockquote&gt;any chance of securing that script?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://frankbi.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/labyrinthvs-20090303-pl.doc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; the most recent version (although it&#039;s still not very recent). It needs the Perl package DBD::SQLite, by the way.

* * *

climatesight:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I didn&#039;t want to skew their stats.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian D:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was actually intending to link Greenfyre’s dissection of the quiz</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah&#8230; I liked that. :)</p>
<blockquote><p>any chance of securing that script?</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://frankbi.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/labyrinthvs-20090303-pl.doc" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s</a> the most recent version (although it&#8217;s still not very recent). It needs the Perl package DBD::SQLite, by the way.</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>climatesight:</p>
<blockquote><p>I didn&#8217;t want to skew their stats.</p></blockquote>
<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: climatesight</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/08/24/logic/comment-page-1/#comment-651</link>
		<dc:creator>climatesight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was sure a fun quiz! I scored 40%. I said that I was a 65 year old male from Texas. I didn&#039;t want to skew their stats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was sure a fun quiz! I scored 40%. I said that I was a 65 year old male from Texas. I didn&#8217;t want to skew their stats.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian D</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/08/24/logic/comment-page-1/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank: I was actually intending to link &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/i-did-not-have-sex-with-that-red-herring/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Greenfyre&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; dissection of the quiz, but the internets ate the HTML.

By the way, you suggested that you were working on a script to run reverse whois on several inactivist websites earlier (as part of the Twisty Maze)... any chance of securing that script? I&#039;m woefully weak in my terminal-fu, and I&#039;d be interested in applying it to some of the US health reform astroturf groups. I bet there&#039;ll be some significant overlap, since most of the groups in the climate inactivist web are also libertarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank: I was actually intending to link <a href="http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/i-did-not-have-sex-with-that-red-herring/" rel="nofollow">Greenfyre&#8217;s</a> dissection of the quiz, but the internets ate the HTML.</p>
<p>By the way, you suggested that you were working on a script to run reverse whois on several inactivist websites earlier (as part of the Twisty Maze)&#8230; any chance of securing that script? I&#8217;m woefully weak in my terminal-fu, and I&#8217;d be interested in applying it to some of the US health reform astroturf groups. I bet there&#8217;ll be some significant overlap, since most of the groups in the climate inactivist web are also libertarians.</p>
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		<title>By: frankbi</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/08/24/logic/comment-page-1/#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>frankbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;[climatologists&#039;] funding depends on carbon being the cause of global warming.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, this doesn&#039;t add up either, especially when you combine it with the fact that they also mention Christy. I mean, Christy is a &#039;skeptical&#039; climatologist, yet he was able to magically obtain funding for his research!

In other words, Wagner&#039;s essay isn&#039;t internally coherent either.

    * * *

Brian D:

Thanks for the thumbs-up again. :-B &#160; Also, the FCPP&#039;s quiz is &lt;a href=&quot;http://csccc.fcpp.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;; I forgot that I had mentioned it in passing as part of &lt;a href=&quot;http://frankbi.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/the-caliph-instead-of-the-caliph/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a blog post&lt;/a&gt; on how right-wing think-tanks view New Media.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;[climatologists'] funding depends on carbon being the cause of global warming.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, this doesn&#8217;t add up either, especially when you combine it with the fact that they also mention Christy. I mean, Christy is a &#8217;skeptical&#8217; climatologist, yet he was able to magically obtain funding for his research!</p>
<p>In other words, Wagner&#8217;s essay isn&#8217;t internally coherent either.</p>
<p>    * * *</p>
<p>Brian D:</p>
<p>Thanks for the thumbs-up again. :-B &nbsp; Also, the FCPP&#8217;s quiz is <a href="http://csccc.fcpp.org/" rel="nofollow">here</a>; I forgot that I had mentioned it in passing as part of <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/the-caliph-instead-of-the-caliph/" rel="nofollow">a blog post</a> on how right-wing think-tanks view New Media.</p>
<p>&#8211; <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">bi</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian D</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/08/24/logic/comment-page-1/#comment-641</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ack, hit &quot;submit&quot; when tabbing back to add in another reference: &lt;a&gt;The Frontier Center for Public Policy&#039;s climate quiz&lt;/a&gt;, arguably the best example of funneling - structuring a series of questions to appear neutral while actually exploiting cognitive loopholes and blind spots to get people to reach a preferred conclusion. It, unlike Heartland, pretends that you should keep what you know about climate change, but asks questions framed in a way to get you to think what you know is wrong (arguably a more dangerous strategy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ack, hit &#8220;submit&#8221; when tabbing back to add in another reference: <a>The Frontier Center for Public Policy&#8217;s climate quiz</a>, arguably the best example of funneling &#8211; structuring a series of questions to appear neutral while actually exploiting cognitive loopholes and blind spots to get people to reach a preferred conclusion. It, unlike Heartland, pretends that you should keep what you know about climate change, but asks questions framed in a way to get you to think what you know is wrong (arguably a more dangerous strategy).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian D</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/08/24/logic/comment-page-1/#comment-640</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Dickens: At least Ken Ham is honest enough to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.answersingenesis.org/about/faith&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mention up front&lt;/a&gt; that they will not accept any information that contradicts their preconceptions (statement 4.6). Not trying to defend the guy or anything  (I&#039;ve already thrown my lot in with &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2009/08/giddyap.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;someone much friendlier&lt;/a&gt;), but it is a step up from the Heartland Institute.

Speaking of, if you weren&#039;t aware of it, they do seem to apply this paradigm both ways. They obviously forgot their knowledge of &quot;checking things in advance&quot; when they decided to &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/02/heartland_posts_frank_bis_paro.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post Frank Bi&#039;s parody video on their &#039;conference&#039; home page&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Dickens: At least Ken Ham is honest enough to <a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/about/faith" rel="nofollow">mention up front</a> that they will not accept any information that contradicts their preconceptions (statement 4.6). Not trying to defend the guy or anything  (I&#8217;ve already thrown my lot in with <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2009/08/giddyap.php" rel="nofollow">someone much friendlier</a>), but it is a step up from the Heartland Institute.</p>
<p>Speaking of, if you weren&#8217;t aware of it, they do seem to apply this paradigm both ways. They obviously forgot their knowledge of &#8220;checking things in advance&#8221; when they decided to <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/02/heartland_posts_frank_bis_paro.php" rel="nofollow">post Frank Bi&#8217;s parody video on their &#8216;conference&#8217; home page</a>.</p>
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