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		<title>By: Micahael Meltzer</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/11/07/loose-ends/#comment-1664</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Micahael Meltzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Meltzer</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/11/07/loose-ends/#comment-1662</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Meltzer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alan Burke</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/11/07/loose-ends/#comment-1481</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Dec. Scientific American is advertising an excellent film from &quot;Nature&quot;:

http://www.nature.com/video/lindau2009

&quot;Nature Video presents five short films on chemistry plus a special film feature on climate change.

Each year, hundreds of young researchers from around the world meet with Nobel Prize winning scientists on Lindau Island in Germany. In 2009 it was the turn of the chemists, and we were there to capture moments of this unique meeting of minds.

Join Laureates and young researchers as they discuss the future of medicine, consider the ethics of nanotechnologies, plan new collaborations, and seek ways to avoid dangerous climate change.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dec. Scientific American is advertising an excellent film from &#8220;Nature&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nature.com/video/lindau2009" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/video/lindau2009</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Nature Video presents five short films on chemistry plus a special film feature on climate change.</p>
<p>Each year, hundreds of young researchers from around the world meet with Nobel Prize winning scientists on Lindau Island in Germany. In 2009 it was the turn of the chemists, and we were there to capture moments of this unique meeting of minds.</p>
<p>Join Laureates and young researchers as they discuss the future of medicine, consider the ethics of nanotechnologies, plan new collaborations, and seek ways to avoid dangerous climate change.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian D</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/11/07/loose-ends/#comment-1460</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, I misunderstood: For some reason I didn&#039;t read &quot;doubled&quot; in there the first time and as a result assumed you were allocating 5% GHG to all electricity production. Totally my mistake, objection withdrawn.

(According to the World Resources Institute, electricity and heating (combined) are responsible for some 24.9% of global GHG emissions. Looks like the &quot;about 30%&quot; wasn&#039;t too far off. This data was from 2005, and while it&#039;s a bit out of date, they do have &lt;a href=&quot;http://pdf.wri.org/world_greenhouse_gas_emissions_2005_chart.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thisspectacular chart&lt;/a&gt; to illustrate the point for a lay audience.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I misunderstood: For some reason I didn&#8217;t read &#8220;doubled&#8221; in there the first time and as a result assumed you were allocating 5% GHG to all electricity production. Totally my mistake, objection withdrawn.</p>
<p>(According to the World Resources Institute, electricity and heating (combined) are responsible for some 24.9% of global GHG emissions. Looks like the &#8220;about 30%&#8221; wasn&#8217;t too far off. This data was from 2005, and while it&#8217;s a bit out of date, they do have <a href="http://pdf.wri.org/world_greenhouse_gas_emissions_2005_chart.pdf" rel="nofollow">thisspectacular chart</a> to illustrate the point for a lay audience.)</p>
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		<title>By: iain</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/11/07/loose-ends/#comment-1458</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alternatively - just read the science:

http://www.energyscience.org.au/FS03%20Nucl%20Power%20Clmt%20Chng.pdf

&quot;Electricity is responsible for less than one third of global greenhouse gas emissions. According to the Uranium Institute, the figure is “about 30%”. That fact alone puts pay to the simplistic view that nuclear power alone can ‘solve’ climate change. According to a senior energy analyst with the International Atomic Energy Agency, Alan McDonald: “Saying that nuclear power can solve global warming by itself is way over the top”.

Ian Hore-Lacy from the Uranium Information Centre (UIC) claims that a doubling of nuclear power would reduce greenhouse emissions in the power sector by 25%. That figure is reduced to a 7.5% reduction if considering the
impact on overall emissions rather than just the power sector. The figure needs to be further reduced because the UIC makes no allowance for the considerable time that would be required to double nuclear output. Electricity
generation is projected to increase over the coming decades so the contribution of a fixed additional input of nuclear power has a relatively smaller impact. Overall, it is highly unlikely that a doubling of global nuclear power would reduce emissions by more than 5%.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alternatively &#8211; just read the science:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.energyscience.org.au/FS03%20Nucl%20Power%20Clmt%20Chng.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.energyscience.org.au/FS03%20Nucl%20Power%20Clmt%20Chng.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Electricity is responsible for less than one third of global greenhouse gas emissions. According to the Uranium Institute, the figure is “about 30%”. That fact alone puts pay to the simplistic view that nuclear power alone can ‘solve’ climate change. According to a senior energy analyst with the International Atomic Energy Agency, Alan McDonald: “Saying that nuclear power can solve global warming by itself is way over the top”.</p>
<p>Ian Hore-Lacy from the Uranium Information Centre (UIC) claims that a doubling of nuclear power would reduce greenhouse emissions in the power sector by 25%. That figure is reduced to a 7.5% reduction if considering the<br />
impact on overall emissions rather than just the power sector. The figure needs to be further reduced because the UIC makes no allowance for the considerable time that would be required to double nuclear output. Electricity<br />
generation is projected to increase over the coming decades so the contribution of a fixed additional input of nuclear power has a relatively smaller impact. Overall, it is highly unlikely that a doubling of global nuclear power would reduce emissions by more than 5%.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: iain</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/11/07/loose-ends/#comment-1457</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[iain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[5% global GHG reduction figure? 

I thought I was clear enough - double current global nuclear power and assume 100% replacement of coal fired power stations (with this new nuclear power).

Nuclear power provides around 13% of global electricity. Global electricity accounts for less than 25% of global GHG.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5% global GHG reduction figure? </p>
<p>I thought I was clear enough &#8211; double current global nuclear power and assume 100% replacement of coal fired power stations (with this new nuclear power).</p>
<p>Nuclear power provides around 13% of global electricity. Global electricity accounts for less than 25% of global GHG.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian D</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/11/07/loose-ends/#comment-1456</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iain, the interesting bit with nuclear is that it can displace coal. There&#039;s a reason Hansen&#039;s up in arms over a coal moratorium. I&#039;m curious as to where you got your 5% figure from; it seems low.

For what it&#039;s worth, I&#039;m critical of nuclear power as it&#039;s been presented so far (we all agree it&#039;s pretty much a non-starter in terms of cost and GHG displacement), but cautiously optimistic over the newer generation 4 reactors (proven technology, unproven economically so far), such as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/10/16/ifr-spm/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;integral fast reactors&lt;/a&gt;.

If any of your readership is in Alberta, I&#039;m also involved in organizing a discussion panel on this very subject - specifically, the role of nuclear power in Canada&#039;s (especially Alberta&#039;s) energy future - on November 24. The speakers have consented to having the panel recorded; I can make the video available here if people want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iain, the interesting bit with nuclear is that it can displace coal. There&#8217;s a reason Hansen&#8217;s up in arms over a coal moratorium. I&#8217;m curious as to where you got your 5% figure from; it seems low.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;m critical of nuclear power as it&#8217;s been presented so far (we all agree it&#8217;s pretty much a non-starter in terms of cost and GHG displacement), but cautiously optimistic over the newer generation 4 reactors (proven technology, unproven economically so far), such as the <a href="http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/10/16/ifr-spm/" rel="nofollow">integral fast reactors</a>.</p>
<p>If any of your readership is in Alberta, I&#8217;m also involved in organizing a discussion panel on this very subject &#8211; specifically, the role of nuclear power in Canada&#8217;s (especially Alberta&#8217;s) energy future &#8211; on November 24. The speakers have consented to having the panel recorded; I can make the video available here if people want.</p>
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		<title>By: iain</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/11/07/loose-ends/#comment-1455</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[iain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kate, 

Nuclear power is primarily used for electricity generation. Electricity generation is less than a quarter of global GHG emissions. If you double nuclear power over, say, the next 20-30 years – you will reduce global emissions only by around 5%. It is hard to see this as a “solution”.

To replace all current electricity generation, and then increase electricity generation to provide energy for transport (plugin and electric vehicles etc), then the uranium reserves aren’t really there over any extended period. You are primarily relying on thorium (and breakthroughs with deuterium) to make up shortfalls in net energy availability. One is then relying on technology breakthroughs for the nuclear solution to be truly GHG effective. Certainly look at it as a possibility – but it may not be wise to bank on it as a definite probability.   

When compared to known energy mix possibilities, that don’t rely on technology breakthroughs (such as a mix of energy efficiency, wind, solar, and natural gas), there are better options, potentially, on the table.  

There is finally the issue of storage over hundreds of thousands of years and potential energy costs associated with clean ups associated with spills over this very long time frame. No one really knows what the true life cycle energy cost of this may be. Again, this could be low – but who is going to guarantee it over thousands of years?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate, </p>
<p>Nuclear power is primarily used for electricity generation. Electricity generation is less than a quarter of global GHG emissions. If you double nuclear power over, say, the next 20-30 years – you will reduce global emissions only by around 5%. It is hard to see this as a “solution”.</p>
<p>To replace all current electricity generation, and then increase electricity generation to provide energy for transport (plugin and electric vehicles etc), then the uranium reserves aren’t really there over any extended period. You are primarily relying on thorium (and breakthroughs with deuterium) to make up shortfalls in net energy availability. One is then relying on technology breakthroughs for the nuclear solution to be truly GHG effective. Certainly look at it as a possibility – but it may not be wise to bank on it as a definite probability.   </p>
<p>When compared to known energy mix possibilities, that don’t rely on technology breakthroughs (such as a mix of energy efficiency, wind, solar, and natural gas), there are better options, potentially, on the table.  </p>
<p>There is finally the issue of storage over hundreds of thousands of years and potential energy costs associated with clean ups associated with spills over this very long time frame. No one really knows what the true life cycle energy cost of this may be. Again, this could be low – but who is going to guarantee it over thousands of years?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/11/07/loose-ends/#comment-1454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;a 30% reduction from 1990 levels by 2020, and 90% by 2050. (However, they couple this with a “say no to nuclear” plan, so I’m not sure how plausible it is).

Not very plausible.  Since 1990, Canada has increased GHG emissions by 26%, according to the first Google link.

So to get 70% from 126%, you have to reduce by 45%, not 30%, and do so in 11 years.  I don&#039;t know much about Canada, but that doesn&#039;t seem likely.
I don&#039;t know why they stick to the 1990 baseline 20 years later.  Mostly it is so certain countries get a favorable count, for example Eastern Europe had some economies crash and got rid of big polluting plants built by Communism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;a 30% reduction from 1990 levels by 2020, and 90% by 2050. (However, they couple this with a “say no to nuclear” plan, so I’m not sure how plausible it is).</p>
<p>Not very plausible.  Since 1990, Canada has increased GHG emissions by 26%, according to the first Google link.</p>
<p>So to get 70% from 126%, you have to reduce by 45%, not 30%, and do so in 11 years.  I don&#8217;t know much about Canada, but that doesn&#8217;t seem likely.<br />
I don&#8217;t know why they stick to the 1990 baseline 20 years later.  Mostly it is so certain countries get a favorable count, for example Eastern Europe had some economies crash and got rid of big polluting plants built by Communism.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2009/11/07/loose-ends/#comment-1453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;Very true, unless we used nuclear power for all aspects of the nuclear life cycle - such as transporting the materials in vehicles run by nuclear-powered electricity. Maybe not feasible right now, but certainly not impossible. -Kate]

That certainly reduces the carbon footprint, and can be feasible in certain places.  Or perhaps you can use solar power at those uranium mines in Niger.

Even without that, you have a power source that leads to a substantial drop in carbon emissions, and people are not interested.  Most of the carbon calculations assume the plant will only be online for 40 years, which is not realistic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Very true, unless we used nuclear power for all aspects of the nuclear life cycle &#8211; such as transporting the materials in vehicles run by nuclear-powered electricity. Maybe not feasible right now, but certainly not impossible. -Kate]</p>
<p>That certainly reduces the carbon footprint, and can be feasible in certain places.  Or perhaps you can use solar power at those uranium mines in Niger.</p>
<p>Even without that, you have a power source that leads to a substantial drop in carbon emissions, and people are not interested.  Most of the carbon calculations assume the plant will only be online for 40 years, which is not realistic.</p>
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