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		<title>Comment on A Good Discussion Starter by Scott A. Mandia</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2010/03/15/a-good-discussion-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-2080</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott A. Mandia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT, but I need help from those of you with research grant experience.  I have already heard from several scientists but it would be nice to hear from a few more.  I originally posted this at RC last week and am now branching out to this blog and others.

I have a thread on my blog titled &lt;a href=&quot;//profmandia.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Taking the Money for Grant(ed) – Part I&lt;/a&gt; that responds to the following two claims:

&lt;b&gt;
1)  Scientists are getting rich from research grants!
2)  Scientists holding an anti-AGW viewpoint cannot get funding! 
&lt;/b&gt;

I used my own recent grant experience to debunk claim #1.  In a future post called Part II, I want to show examples of how grant money is spent at other institutions, especially the larger research institutions.  Essentially, &lt;b&gt;tell me why you are also not getting rich from your grants.&lt;/b&gt;  You can comment on my blog or send me a private email.

My email address is mandias@sunysuffolk.edu

You can give me as much or as little detail as you think it necessary to dispel claim #1.  Before I post part II, I will send a draft copy to any person whose information is being used and you will have carte blanche to edit what I had planned to post.  Nothing will appear in my post that you do not confirm.

I appreciate all the help you can offer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, but I need help from those of you with research grant experience.  I have already heard from several scientists but it would be nice to hear from a few more.  I originally posted this at RC last week and am now branching out to this blog and others.</p>
<p>I have a thread on my blog titled <a href="//profmandia.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Taking the Money for Grant(ed) – Part I</a> that responds to the following two claims:</p>
<p><b><br />
1)  Scientists are getting rich from research grants!<br />
2)  Scientists holding an anti-AGW viewpoint cannot get funding!<br />
</b></p>
<p>I used my own recent grant experience to debunk claim #1.  In a future post called Part II, I want to show examples of how grant money is spent at other institutions, especially the larger research institutions.  Essentially, <b>tell me why you are also not getting rich from your grants.</b>  You can comment on my blog or send me a private email.</p>
<p>My email address is <a href="mailto:mandias@sunysuffolk.edu">mandias@sunysuffolk.edu</a></p>
<p>You can give me as much or as little detail as you think it necessary to dispel claim #1.  Before I post part II, I will send a draft copy to any person whose information is being used and you will have carte blanche to edit what I had planned to post.  Nothing will appear in my post that you do not confirm.</p>
<p>I appreciate all the help you can offer!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Good Discussion Starter by NU</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2010/03/15/a-good-discussion-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-2079</link>
		<dc:creator>NU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a theoretical physicist looking for a new career, something still quantitative but involving more applied data analysis.  I had no particular prior interest in geoscience, although I enjoyed creating weather maps in high school and was once interested in how seismic inversions are done.  I saw an interesting-looking job ad for climate statistics and prediction, applied, and was hired.

Before starting the job, I was somewhat skeptical about AGW -- I thought there was probably warming but wasn&#039;t sure how much humans had to do with it.  I think some of that was a somewhat irrational default skepticism in response to what I perceived as overzealous environmental activists or biased media reporting, who I assumed were exaggerating things beyond what the scientific literature supported.

However, at the time I knew virtually nothing about the actual science, other than some physics of the greenhouse effect (which obviously existed, I just wasn&#039;t sure how well we could calculate the effects of anthropogenic CO2 on the Earth&#039;s climate).  I knew I didn&#039;t know much, so I didn&#039;t take any strong position on the matter, and certainly didn&#039;t rule out the job offer on those grounds.  I accepted the position, still not knowing very much but already starting to learn.

After intensively studying the scientific literature as part of my new job, speaking with my colleagues, and going to talks, over a few years I became convinced that humans likely were responsible for much of the recent warming, although (as the IPCC acknowledges) there is still substantial uncertainty about the amount and distribution of climate change expected in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a theoretical physicist looking for a new career, something still quantitative but involving more applied data analysis.  I had no particular prior interest in geoscience, although I enjoyed creating weather maps in high school and was once interested in how seismic inversions are done.  I saw an interesting-looking job ad for climate statistics and prediction, applied, and was hired.</p>
<p>Before starting the job, I was somewhat skeptical about AGW &#8212; I thought there was probably warming but wasn&#8217;t sure how much humans had to do with it.  I think some of that was a somewhat irrational default skepticism in response to what I perceived as overzealous environmental activists or biased media reporting, who I assumed were exaggerating things beyond what the scientific literature supported.</p>
<p>However, at the time I knew virtually nothing about the actual science, other than some physics of the greenhouse effect (which obviously existed, I just wasn&#8217;t sure how well we could calculate the effects of anthropogenic CO2 on the Earth&#8217;s climate).  I knew I didn&#8217;t know much, so I didn&#8217;t take any strong position on the matter, and certainly didn&#8217;t rule out the job offer on those grounds.  I accepted the position, still not knowing very much but already starting to learn.</p>
<p>After intensively studying the scientific literature as part of my new job, speaking with my colleagues, and going to talks, over a few years I became convinced that humans likely were responsible for much of the recent warming, although (as the IPCC acknowledges) there is still substantial uncertainty about the amount and distribution of climate change expected in the future.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Now We&#8217;re Talking! by The Ville</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2010/03/08/now-were-talking/comment-page-1/#comment-2078</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes Frankbi I&#039;m amazed in the UK what is being done!
Not so much on the education front, but plenty more on infrastructure etc.

It&#039;s slow progress, but it is still impressive that anything is done at all given the negative attitudes expressed in the media in the last few months.

This week in particular has seen the announcement of 1.2GW of tidal and wave energy farms in Scotland, along with today Nissan committing to build the electric Leaf car in Newcastle. The UK is showing a lead when it comes to marine and offshore wind energy.

At the end of last year we had the announcements of some 30GW of planned offshore wind farms. I know a lot of environmentalists get frustrated with the slow pace. But the total amount of renewable energy plants of all kinds in the UK, planned for the next 10 to 20 years, far exceeds the pace of post WWII expansion in UK electricity generation, or anything before it.

It&#039;s going to take at least a decade before a lot of this becomes reality. But 5 years ago I was having discussions about this sort of thing at it was purely theoretical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes Frankbi I&#8217;m amazed in the UK what is being done!<br />
Not so much on the education front, but plenty more on infrastructure etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s slow progress, but it is still impressive that anything is done at all given the negative attitudes expressed in the media in the last few months.</p>
<p>This week in particular has seen the announcement of 1.2GW of tidal and wave energy farms in Scotland, along with today Nissan committing to build the electric Leaf car in Newcastle. The UK is showing a lead when it comes to marine and offshore wind energy.</p>
<p>At the end of last year we had the announcements of some 30GW of planned offshore wind farms. I know a lot of environmentalists get frustrated with the slow pace. But the total amount of renewable energy plants of all kinds in the UK, planned for the next 10 to 20 years, far exceeds the pace of post WWII expansion in UK electricity generation, or anything before it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to take at least a decade before a lot of this becomes reality. But 5 years ago I was having discussions about this sort of thing at it was purely theoretical.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Staying Sane by Martin Vermeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Vermeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, yep, nice. Sounds familiar.

But... you can only do your best, not more. And you did already more than most. &lt;em&gt;A lot&lt;/em&gt; more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, yep, nice. Sounds familiar.</p>
<p>But&#8230; you can only do your best, not more. And you did already more than most. <em>A lot</em> more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Good Discussion Starter by jyyh</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2010/03/15/a-good-discussion-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-2071</link>
		<dc:creator>jyyh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 05:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The series of early springs here during the 1980s, and the stories of 1940s-60s winters&#039; cold I heard made me wonder about the differences in years. I remember seeing the Keeling curve and CO2 absorption diagram quite early (1987?), but back then there was much talk about acid rain and ozone, so I didn&#039;t quite grasp the implications of the greenhouse effect back then. This current winter would seriously make me doubt GW if I wouldn&#039;t have been following this issue for 15 years (climate is a long term matter in human perception).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The series of early springs here during the 1980s, and the stories of 1940s-60s winters&#8217; cold I heard made me wonder about the differences in years. I remember seeing the Keeling curve and CO2 absorption diagram quite early (1987?), but back then there was much talk about acid rain and ozone, so I didn&#8217;t quite grasp the implications of the greenhouse effect back then. This current winter would seriously make me doubt GW if I wouldn&#8217;t have been following this issue for 15 years (climate is a long term matter in human perception).</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Good Discussion Starter by Patrick</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2010/03/15/a-good-discussion-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-2070</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

My story is not too different. The first tangential allusion to climate change that I ran across was in an essay by Robert Heinlein, were he made reference to possible adverse changes in climate.  A more proper introduction to the subject was from reading about James Hansen and his views in the paper.  Subsequently I came across Greg Craven&#039;s videos.  Those videos started an active interest in this subject of climate change / global warming.

Presently I am taking a physics and a calculus course as part of an engineering science curriculum.  My interest in this subject has already helped me.  During a physics test I got a question correct because of having learned some unit prefixes while researching climate change.  Had I not done so, I would not have remembered them.  In my calculus text some of the applications are of interest because the relate to AGW.  In the section on the fundamental theorm of calculus in Larson, Hostetler, and Edwards there is a discussion of how the speed of sound varies with altitude.  The curve looks like the temperature curve for average temperatures through the layers of our atmosphere.  It looks like an interesting question.  There is also a rather curious application given in the first chapter of this same text, that discusses a July 1990 article from Scientfic American that made some predictions regarding growth of atmospheric CO2 concentrations.  

Unfortunately my interest in this subject does not make trigonometric substitutions, or any of the other nifty integration techniques any easier to learn.  Sometimes nothing will substitute for skull sweat.  

Kate thanks for the links to James Hrynyshyn, Michael Tobis, Tamino, Scott Mandia, Deltoid, and the rest.  It was a help.

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>My story is not too different. The first tangential allusion to climate change that I ran across was in an essay by Robert Heinlein, were he made reference to possible adverse changes in climate.  A more proper introduction to the subject was from reading about James Hansen and his views in the paper.  Subsequently I came across Greg Craven&#8217;s videos.  Those videos started an active interest in this subject of climate change / global warming.</p>
<p>Presently I am taking a physics and a calculus course as part of an engineering science curriculum.  My interest in this subject has already helped me.  During a physics test I got a question correct because of having learned some unit prefixes while researching climate change.  Had I not done so, I would not have remembered them.  In my calculus text some of the applications are of interest because the relate to AGW.  In the section on the fundamental theorm of calculus in Larson, Hostetler, and Edwards there is a discussion of how the speed of sound varies with altitude.  The curve looks like the temperature curve for average temperatures through the layers of our atmosphere.  It looks like an interesting question.  There is also a rather curious application given in the first chapter of this same text, that discusses a July 1990 article from Scientfic American that made some predictions regarding growth of atmospheric CO2 concentrations.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately my interest in this subject does not make trigonometric substitutions, or any of the other nifty integration techniques any easier to learn.  Sometimes nothing will substitute for skull sweat.  </p>
<p>Kate thanks for the links to James Hrynyshyn, Michael Tobis, Tamino, Scott Mandia, Deltoid, and the rest.  It was a help.</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Good Discussion Starter by Tony O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://climatesight.org/2010/03/15/a-good-discussion-starter/comment-page-1/#comment-2069</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had  heard of global warming in the seventies and of the glacial cycles and thought that maybe they might balance out. Either way it was a problem for the far distant future and promptly forgot about it.

My recent interest started with a forming ice berg on the Amery ice shelf &quot;the Loose Tooth&quot; from there I was lead, stumbled upon, Greg Craven&#039;s videos. Then Greg started his book and I was one of those who helped with research on the Manpollo site.

I quickly came to the conclusion that the IPCC report was far from being alarmist and generally understated the risks, particularly in relation to sea level rise. 

The future had arrived much earlier than expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had  heard of global warming in the seventies and of the glacial cycles and thought that maybe they might balance out. Either way it was a problem for the far distant future and promptly forgot about it.</p>
<p>My recent interest started with a forming ice berg on the Amery ice shelf &#8220;the Loose Tooth&#8221; from there I was lead, stumbled upon, Greg Craven&#8217;s videos. Then Greg started his book and I was one of those who helped with research on the Manpollo site.</p>
<p>I quickly came to the conclusion that the IPCC report was far from being alarmist and generally understated the risks, particularly in relation to sea level rise. </p>
<p>The future had arrived much earlier than expected.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Good Discussion Starter by Baerbel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baerbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been interested in nature and conservation issues and once I saw Al Gore&#039;s film and read his and several other books (eg. Tim Flannery&#039;s &quot;The Weathermakers&quot; and Joe Romm&#039;s &quot;Hell and High Waters&quot;, Elizabeth Kolbert&#039;s &quot;Field Notes from a Catastrophe to name just a few) I was quickly convinced that climate change was a serious problem. 

Surfing the internet, it didn&#039;t take me long to happen upon Greg Craven&#039;s videos which I watched over the course of a couple of days. I liked his risk analysis, confirmation bias and credibility-matrix approach to the topic. This led me to become involved with the Manpollo.org forum, first as a participant, by now as one of the moderators/admins. Over time I&#039;ve accumulated quite a big list of blogs I regulary read like Climate Progress, RealClimate, SkepticalScience (where I also help to get the arguments translated into German) and - obviously - Climatesight. In addition I&#039;ve read several more books about climate change - both about the science and the politics (Paul Hoggan&#039;s &quot;Climate Cover-Up&quot;) involved. There&#039;s so much to read and learn and so little time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been interested in nature and conservation issues and once I saw Al Gore&#8217;s film and read his and several other books (eg. Tim Flannery&#8217;s &#8220;The Weathermakers&#8221; and Joe Romm&#8217;s &#8220;Hell and High Waters&#8221;, Elizabeth Kolbert&#8217;s &#8220;Field Notes from a Catastrophe to name just a few) I was quickly convinced that climate change was a serious problem. </p>
<p>Surfing the internet, it didn&#8217;t take me long to happen upon Greg Craven&#8217;s videos which I watched over the course of a couple of days. I liked his risk analysis, confirmation bias and credibility-matrix approach to the topic. This led me to become involved with the Manpollo.org forum, first as a participant, by now as one of the moderators/admins. Over time I&#8217;ve accumulated quite a big list of blogs I regulary read like Climate Progress, RealClimate, SkepticalScience (where I also help to get the arguments translated into German) and &#8211; obviously &#8211; Climatesight. In addition I&#8217;ve read several more books about climate change &#8211; both about the science and the politics (Paul Hoggan&#8217;s &#8220;Climate Cover-Up&#8221;) involved. There&#8217;s so much to read and learn and so little time!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Good Discussion Starter by Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have taught an environmental geology class at the uni level since 1992.  I started mentioning AGW in 1994, mostly using general references to refer to this thing that &quot;might&quot; be happening.  This got me interested in climate science, so I read more deeply into the literature (a challenge for a sedimentologist working in the late Archean).  

As the evidence for AGW broadened and deepened, so did this portion of my class, not to mention my personal sense of urgency about the issues.  I had a real watershed moment when I looked at my notes one year, and realized all the things I&#039;d been telling my class as hypothetical effects of AGW, e.g., ecological migrations, hydrologic cycle changes, etc., were becoming broadly evidence-based events.  The AGW part of my class has now expanded from 1.5 hours to about 8.  That includes a little time for long term climate change.  

On a personal level, I try to keep well enough informed through journals, blogs, etc. to be able to explain AGW to my non-scientist friends, and fight back against the denialists.  I also just dig having a better understanding of earth systems and history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have taught an environmental geology class at the uni level since 1992.  I started mentioning AGW in 1994, mostly using general references to refer to this thing that &#8220;might&#8221; be happening.  This got me interested in climate science, so I read more deeply into the literature (a challenge for a sedimentologist working in the late Archean).  </p>
<p>As the evidence for AGW broadened and deepened, so did this portion of my class, not to mention my personal sense of urgency about the issues.  I had a real watershed moment when I looked at my notes one year, and realized all the things I&#8217;d been telling my class as hypothetical effects of AGW, e.g., ecological migrations, hydrologic cycle changes, etc., were becoming broadly evidence-based events.  The AGW part of my class has now expanded from 1.5 hours to about 8.  That includes a little time for long term climate change.  </p>
<p>On a personal level, I try to keep well enough informed through journals, blogs, etc. to be able to explain AGW to my non-scientist friends, and fight back against the denialists.  I also just dig having a better understanding of earth systems and history.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Staying Sane by Greg Craven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Craven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s a doctor’s job to tell his patients to stop smoking, and why. It’s not his job to make them stop. It’s most certainly not his job to lie awake at night over his patients smoking.&quot;

Yeah, but what sinks me (and I&#039;m NOT coping at all), is that in that model, I&#039;m the doctor, and the patient&#039;s smoking is killing MY children.  Doesn&#039;t make for a pleasant attitude toward humanity (or generic individuals).

Just ask my wife.  I&#039;m just a barrel of giggles to live with.  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s a doctor’s job to tell his patients to stop smoking, and why. It’s not his job to make them stop. It’s most certainly not his job to lie awake at night over his patients smoking.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, but what sinks me (and I&#8217;m NOT coping at all), is that in that model, I&#8217;m the doctor, and the patient&#8217;s smoking is killing MY children.  Doesn&#8217;t make for a pleasant attitude toward humanity (or generic individuals).</p>
<p>Just ask my wife.  I&#8217;m just a barrel of giggles to live with.  :-(</p>
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